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Donk... in case you missed this before scooting — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:41PM

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History of conservative principles — Bard, Thu Nov 20 11:44AM

Conservatism and Liberalism and Communism are ALL... — SES, Thu Nov 20 12:00PM
- But then... — donatello, Thu Nov 20 12:27PM
- - of course... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:39PM
  - - I agree. See my reply to you below. (nm) — donatello, Thu Nov 20 12:50PM
- Quite true... btw, I gather that you are a conservative? — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:17PM
- The point is — Bard, Thu Nov 20 12:04PM
- - I disagree... The VOTER maintains the values.... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:18PM
  - - Problem here then might be that — donatello, Thu Nov 20 12:37PM
    - In practice, then — Bard, Thu Nov 20 12:32PM
    - - Pretty much... an ignorant electorate doesn't understand it — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:36PM
      - And that gets back to the failure of schools — Bard, Thu Nov 20 12:38PM
  - You COULD look at it that way. — SES, Thu Nov 20 12:14PM
  - - You have just described — Bard, Thu Nov 20 12:35PM
    - In practice, liberalism, conservatism, communism, socialism, — etc. are all BAD practice... Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:33PM
    - - Bingo — donatello, Thu Nov 20 12:49PM
No argument in your opinion about it in practice... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 11:50AM
- BTW, the ultra RW religious nutz are NOT conservatives — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 11:52AM
- - Actually, I think that they are conservatives — Verdelet, Thu Nov 20 1:03PM
  - Secular politics — Bard, Thu Nov 20 12:01PM
  - - So, are you saying that it's not allowed to mention it here? — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:14PM
    - - Think of it as promotion — Bard, Thu Nov 20 12:29PM
      - Whew, okay... I thought I'd violated some rule... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:36PM
        
        Thank you! — Bard, Thu Nov 20 12:46PM
  - they say they are... — donk, Thu Nov 20 12:00PM
excellent point... — donk, Thu Nov 20 11:49AM

Corporate Profits and Dinosaurs — Merlinº, Thu Nov 20 10:35AM

Don't so-called sky-high profits also provide needed capital — Curmudgeon, Thu Nov 20 12:01PM
- Nothing so-called about those sky-high profits. — Merlinº, Thu Nov 20 12:09PM
- They wouldn't in a capitalistic society....... (nm) — Ranger, Thu Nov 20 12:04PM
Those falling dinosaurs have — Ranger, Thu Nov 20 11:50AM
Good point.. — donk, Thu Nov 20 10:48AM

How the world views Bush. Look at this. — Ranger, Thu Nov 20 9:26AM

Point man for PNAC... — donk, Thu Nov 20 11:51AM

did a job... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:01AM

not sure how electrical feeds compare with the auto industry (nm — Thor, Thu Nov 20 11:14AM
- cost of materials... — donk, Thu Nov 20 11:52AM
- - Why ignore the high cost of union labor, the differentiator — Curmudgeon, Thu Nov 20 12:04PM

I see the house minority has.. — donk, Thu Nov 20 8:46AM

Do you have a clue what "core conservative values" are? — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:53AM
- A bit of a reach? — donatello, Thu Nov 20 12:58PM
- Welcome to the World of the Donkster — SES, Thu Nov 20 9:21AM
- - Yes, I've gathered that the fantasy world of Donk doesn't — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:43AM
  - Be a little more specific, please. — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 9:39AM
  - - Do a search on "Bush Liberal Policies" — SES, Thu Nov 20 10:33AM
    - - You do such a search... — donk, Thu Nov 20 11:00AM
    - Well, Trudy, all I can say to that is... — SES, Thu Nov 20 10:16AM
    - Regarding the Bush admin.... you are right on target saying — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:46AM
  - More of the same old ignorance... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:29AM
  - - BELIEF is not knowledge... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:48AM
    - - Disagree — Bard, Thu Nov 20 11:21AM
      - I don't know that we disagree... — donk, Thu Nov 20 11:58AM
        
        Off on a tangent, sort of — Bard, Thu Nov 20 12:16PM
        
        and that means WHAT to me? — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 11:37AM
        
        In practice, conservative principles — Bard, Thu Nov 20 11:53AM
        
        Well, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt in — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:10PM
        
        Don't sell donk short — Bard, Thu Nov 20 12:26PM
        
        Good advice... hard to do... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:40PM
      - that is true... give it a try. (nm) — donk, Thu Nov 20 10:49AM
      - ROFLMAO... and you admit it? wow... (nm) — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 10:53AM
        
        I didn't say it, you did... — donk, Thu Nov 20 11:02AM
- No, and neither do you.. — donk, Thu Nov 20 8:55AM
- - Actually, yes, I do... but thank you for admitting that you — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:09AM
  - - Some advice, "Sia". — SES, Thu Nov 20 9:39AM
    - - Thanks for the good advice... you might notice — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:52AM
      - Donk has Assburgers? — SES, Thu Nov 20 10:22AM
        
        If he's "for real", that's scary... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 10:54AM
    - then enlighten us... (nm) — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:24AM
    - What are they? — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 9:18AM
    - - Conservative values in my own words.... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:35AM
      - Not one of them means anything... — donk, Thu Nov 20 10:50AM
        
        guess what? You've now reached saturation point — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 10:55AM
        
        Yet unprepared to give them... — donk, Thu Nov 20 10:59AM
        
        I suggest you take your head outa yer ass & breathe clean — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 11:03AM
        
        Congratualtions. It took you all of what? — SES, Thu Nov 20 12:04PM
        
        It actually took ten minutes... but I had high hopes... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:05PM
        
        I apologize for being so rude to you... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:03PM
        
        yep, when in doubt, grab another... — donk, Thu Nov 20 12:01PM
        
        my final word — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 12:07PM
      - Here you go...for starters. — SES, Thu Nov 20 9:30AM
      - again, means nothing... — donk, Thu Nov 20 10:53AM

another way to see the Big Three problem... — donk, Thu Nov 20 8:08AM

Do you see "no problem" with the business practices — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:38AM
- No, I do not... — donk, Thu Nov 20 8:55AM
- - Whoa... well, I've gotta hand it to ya... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:09AM
  - - Well... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:26AM
    - - LOL... I do just fine there... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:54AM
      - I'm sure you do... (nm) — donk, Thu Nov 20 10:54AM

I'd sure like to see an in depth examination — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 12:23AM

I agree, but.... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:35AM
- You got that right. — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 9:44AM
So would "Big Brother":. — Popeye, Thu Nov 20 7:12AM
- Do other folks? — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 9:10AM
What I suspect... — donk, Thu Nov 20 7:11AM
- The only relevance I see — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 9:13AM
- When a foreign car costs less & is higher quality — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:47AM
- - More folklore... — donk, Thu Nov 20 8:58AM
  - - Tangible evidence is NOT folklore... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:13AM
    - - Like the Bible is proof of God? — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:22AM
      - Are you really this dumb? or are you just trying to appear — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 10:05AM
        
        Merely responding in kind... — donk, Thu Nov 20 10:57AM

New Rules.... — wildrose, Wed Nov 19 11:05PM

How do we know this isn't a dog who pals around with — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:03AM
- A moon roof in the presidential limo is just trying to get — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:04AM
yep... — donk, Thu Nov 20 7:24AM
You know — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 12:01AM
- May I recommend — wildrose, Thu Nov 20 12:41AM
- - Just visited "The Smirking Chimp" since you reminded me of — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 1:24AM
  - Yes. — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 12:46AM
  - - He's been on Bill Maher's show — Morgan, Thu Nov 20 11:07AM

If Romney were a "brilliant man" — Donk, Wed Nov 19 8:55PM

The Hermit, Davis Fleetwood — Trudy, Wed Nov 19 7:20PM

yep... (nm) — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:09PM

Somali Pirates Talk Ransom for Supertanker — Merlinº, Wed Nov 19 4:33PM

IMO the solution is to allow merchant shippers the choice... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 5:46PM
- a fourth... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:12PM
- - Who does the escort? — Sprout, Thu Nov 20 12:35PM
- I think they should destroy the pirate's lair — Merlinº, Wed Nov 19 6:17PM
- - Where's their lair?... — A.J., Wed Nov 19 7:11PM
  - - We know it is on the seacoast which narrows things down. — Merlinº, Thu Nov 20 8:43AM
    - - The problem is that it is not a 'secret lair'.... — Sprout, Thu Nov 20 12:34PM
      - I suspect that we have several goups of pirates... — A.J., Thu Nov 20 8:57AM
      - That's OK, one lair...several lairs. — Merlinº, Thu Nov 20 10:09AM
        
        In that nation everyone has an AK... — Sprout, Thu Nov 20 12:37PM
  - As with any operation within the realm of — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 6:44PM
  - - It's a bit easier with seagoing pirates I think — Merlinº, Wed Nov 19 7:10PM
    - - This isn't like it was a couple centuries back — Sprout, Thu Nov 20 12:03PM

Mitt Romney's view on the BIG 3 bailout — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 11:49AM

Doesn't make sense — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 9:30AM
- The cost reflects several things... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 10:11AM
- - Re: The cost reflects several things... — Trudy, Thu Nov 20 10:34AM
Certainly thought provoking .... — A.J., Wed Nov 19 6:34PM
- Yup, precisely why I copied it over... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 7:54AM
CEO's in your face... — wildrose, Wed Nov 19 6:29PM
- Clearly, they are the first who need to go... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 7:57AM
- I have to admit... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:20PM
- - Well, that's certainly another twist on it! — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:00AM
  - - But, Romney is an idiot... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:04AM
    - - More important.... why would anyone listen to you? — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:14AM
- I can certainly see the outrage here... — A.J., Wed Nov 19 7:06PM
- - There are many who will tell you that they can't attract the — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:03AM
This is a different kind of "Bailout" — SES, Wed Nov 19 4:50PM
- Actually, the bailout was to rescue those at fault — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:16AM
Romney makes some good points and good sense IMO. — donatello, Wed Nov 19 1:44PM
and look how well... — donk, Wed Nov 19 1:38PM
- Romney is a brilliant man... — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 1:54PM
- - I disagree... (nm) — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:21PM
  - - LOL... you can disagree with someone's politics but it's — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 7:50AM
    - - Whose rule is that? — donk, Thu Nov 20 7:57AM
      - You did???? I musta missed it... (-: (nm) — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:04AM
        
        More like you ignored it... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:06AM
        
        For you perhaps... you're the only one touting it... (nm) — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:15AM
      - I made my argument higher up... — donk, Thu Nov 20 7:55AM
      - Romney didn't say force them out of business — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:05AM
        
        If you read to the end, you'd note these final words — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:12AM
        
        I don't listen to things like Romney... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:07AM
        
        I know... you listen only to the echoes in your head... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:16AM
      - and if you were disputing my last sentence, all I can say is — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 7:51AM
  - Welcome Sia — donatello (Admin), Wed Nov 19 3:56PM
  - - Thank you... glad to be welcome... (nm) — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 4:22PM

Obama's Hawaii birth certificate proven fraudulent. — Merlinº, Wed Nov 19 11:25AM

LOL...I passed it on.... — wildrose, Wed Nov 19 7:54PM
- Heh heh...'tis the season to be jolly. :- ) (nm) — Merlinº, Wed Nov 19 12:06PM
- - Good 'un! — Morgan, Wed Nov 19 1:15PM

The 2nd Amendment and a US Insurgency — Merlinº, Wed Nov 19 8:42AM

And we just know the criminals in our midst will register — Curmudgeon, Wed Nov 19 1:30PM
- Probably not... — donk, Wed Nov 19 1:39PM
- - And, of course criminals would — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 1:56PM
  - - criminals steal any firearm... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:25PM
    - - Having lived in both a state that requires registration (MA) — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:25AM
    - Sprout says dripping with sarcasm... lol... (nm) — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 1:57PM
eh? — Zippity read him some letterins, Wed Nov 19 11:41AM
- Why not? — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 12:43PM
- Out of the kindness of their hearts Blackwater provides the — Merlinº, Wed Nov 19 12:02PM
- - What great guys — Zippity finds that disturbing, Wed Nov 19 12:15PM
  - - heh heh... (nm) — donk, Wed Nov 19 1:40PM
    - It is generally referred to as proffessional courtesy... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 12:45PM
    - - the sheriff and PD have ranges? — donk, Wed Nov 19 1:41PM
      - Are you trying to be ornery? — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 7:42AM
        
        No, but facts are facts... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:10AM
        
        You must mean AFFECTED by it... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:18AM
        
        Yes... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 1:51PM
        
        I bet John Q Public owns them... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:26PM
        
        No crap.... they are owned by the public... — Sprout, Thu Nov 20 12:06PM
        
        Public ownership does not mean you can crash their parties.. — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:29AM
        
        Nobody said it did... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:11AM
        
        Do you have Asperger's syndrome? (nm) — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:19AM
      - That's nice — Zippity is relieved, Wed Nov 19 1:04PM
      - I guess some who consider political correctness — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 1:53PM
        
        Nope — Zippity doesn't buy that, Wed Nov 19 3:18PM
        
        It has the exact same level of — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 3:24PM
        
        Who had jurisdiction in Iraq? — Zippity, Wed Nov 19 3:28PM
        
        During the initial phases the US military.... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 3:35PM
        
        Guns and cars. — donatello, Wed Nov 19 4:05PM
        
        True... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 5:34PM
        
        Thanks. — donatello, Wed Nov 19 6:11PM
        
        yep... (nm) — donk, Wed Nov 19 1:42PM
Has any government actually taken away... — SES, Wed Nov 19 10:07AM
- Yes, they have done that in many countries... — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 11:31AM
- Has happened repeatedly.... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 10:24AM
- - Not really the spirit of the question. — Max, Wed Nov 19 5:15PM
  - - It is a process.... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 5:41PM
    - - More NRA BS... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:31PM
      - complacency will do it faster... (nm) — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:30AM
        
        and NRA BS... (nm) — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:12AM
        
        THAT is illogical... (nm) — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 10:12AM
      - No such process has been demonstrated. — Max, Wed Nov 19 5:45PM
      - Ever talked to a "gun grabber"? — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 8:32AM
        
        I suggest you look outside of the US. — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 5:51PM
        
        I suggest you name them... (nm) — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:34PM
        
        Do your own homework.... — Sprout, Thu Nov 20 12:10PM
  - really? "California. and other nations?" — donk, Wed Nov 19 11:09AM
  - - Do your own homework... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 12:23PM
    - - No... — donk, Wed Nov 19 1:27PM
      - Limited ability to grasp larger pictures... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 1:54PM
        
        I guess the history I studied... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:30PM
        
        It wasn't covered in third grade.... — Sprout, Thu Nov 20 1:04PM
        
        heh heh — Zippity loves him some irony, Wed Nov 19 3:19PM
        
        Go ahead.... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 3:22PM
        
        say again... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:37PM
        
        Why should I? — Zippity don't play dat, Wed Nov 19 3:26PM
        
        You responded to a post regarding — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 3:37PM
    - When you shoot the "logistics" man — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 11:55AM
    - - er — Zippity says what?, Wed Nov 19 1:46PM
      - Awww.... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:34PM
        
        Confuse "them"? what's up with that? — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 7:43AM
        
        You fit into one unforgivable category.... — Sprout, Thu Nov 20 1:02PM
        
        My point, badly stated, was that an insurgency — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 1:56PM
        
        It isn't a problem.. — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:39PM
        
        Actually, native American tribes died from diseases — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 7:46AM
        
        More folklore... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:15AM
        
        Well, I can see that wallowing in ignorance is a common (nm) — theme for you..... Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 9:20AM
      - Second try... — donk, Wed Nov 19 1:33PM
      - We make our own ammo... whatchoo talking about willis? — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 2:01PM
        
        you "make" your own ammo? — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:42PM
        
        (rolling eyeballs)... whatEVER... — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 7:39AM
        
        No, but I prefer facts to feel good... — donk, Thu Nov 20 9:18AM
Those will be Obamas boys? — COINS™, Wed Nov 19 9:12AM
- Nope. — Merlinº, Wed Nov 19 10:03AM
yep. Nice work! (nm) — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:47AM

"automobile manufacturing in the United States is doomed"? — Curmudgeon, Wed Nov 19 1:32PM
It looks to me that at the very least,.... — A.J., Wed Nov 19 8:55AM
- I'm inclined to agree with you but from a less knowledgable — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 10:56AM
- - heavy industry... — donk, Wed Nov 19 11:14AM
- Good post... — donk, Wed Nov 19 9:13AM
- - I think they need to build a plant or retool one to — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 11:01AM
  - - Years ago... — donatello, Wed Nov 19 4:58PM
    - - My first two cars were both used Ford Mustangs — Siã☀©, Thu Nov 20 7:35AM
pretty good argument... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:25AM
- Maybe it's just me this morning but I'm not really following — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 11:07AM
- - It isn't you... — donk, Wed Nov 19 11:59AM
  - - I think most people blame two things... — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 12:56PM

typical Alaska mentality... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:30AM
- Why is it a "typical" Alaskan mentality? — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 11:11AM
- - I described it in my post... — donk, Wed Nov 19 12:01PM
  - - LOL... no further comment... (nm) — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 12:53PM
Full pension.... great benefits... — Sprout, Wed Nov 19 8:16AM

Obama has certainly hit the ground running — Merlinº, Tue Nov 18 10:19PM

Well, let's see. — SES, Wed Nov 19 9:03AM
- Mindless minions? What would YOU like to see happen? — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 11:17AM
- - I've seen this before. — SES, Wed Nov 19 11:45AM
  - - Well, let's let him get sworn in before we criticize, k? (nm) — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 11:57AM
    - - Yeah. Wouldn't want to ruin that... — SES, Wed Nov 19 12:10PM
      - No offense intended but it's clear that, on this topic, it — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 12:51PM
        
        No offense taken. — SES, Wed Nov 19 2:14PM
        
        **chuckle** Glad that's cleared up... now — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 3:07PM
        
        Not really the point of the thread, but... — SES, Wed Nov 19 3:39PM
        
        sounds good to me... (-: (nm) — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 4:18PM
- You haven't been right yet... — donk, Wed Nov 19 9:57AM
astute and energetic... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:34AM
Yup, "hope, enthusiasm and optimism " if the Clinton Admin — Curmudgeon, Tue Nov 18 10:59PM
- Good employment, balanced budget, — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:36AM
- Well, for most Americans — Merlinº, Tue Nov 18 11:25PM
- - I think most are happy to see the gloomy cloud of — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 11:21AM

WR, Normal... anybody? — donk, Tue Nov 18 9:36PM

Karen Kwiatkowski? — Merlinº, Wed Nov 19 8:19AM
- That's it!!! Thanks! (nm) — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:37AM
- - More facts about her — Bard, Wed Nov 19 10:06PM
Was it — ann, Wed Nov 19 2:51AM
- Not the one I had in mind... — donk, Wed Nov 19 8:41AM
- - Well — ann, Wed Nov 19 9:40AM
  - - Our loss. Too bad. (nm) — donk, Wed Nov 19 12:02PM
    - Why did you choose not to post here anymore? — Siã☀©, Wed Nov 19 11:28AM
I don't remember either. — Trudy, Wed Nov 19 1:27AM

One for the archives... — donk, Tue Nov 18 9:23PM

Nice. Thanks. — donk, Tue Nov 18 9:30PM

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